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From: Don Thomspon and that's a good thing because mob rule sucks. You will not find the word democracy anywhere in the whole constitution. Our country was meant to be a republic, Fuckwad. ------------- Ian Kleinfeld -----Original Message----- Comments: How in the fuck can we be discriminating against gays (queers) when it isn't an ethnic group? It's a behavior, Asshole, and a rotten one at that. I don't fear gays, I despise them because they disgust me. Gay means happy, not queer. You queers are going to be tortured in Hell forever and ever. Fuck off and die. ------------------- I suggest you learn more about the word "discrimination" before you continue to misuse it and maybe put an eye out or something tragic like that. In America, it doesn't matter if you despise someone or not, they still have the same rights as everyone else does, like it or not. Allowing gays and lesbians the benefits given to married straight couples isn't catering to a special interest, it's simply legislating equal rights that have been denied so far. Last I checked, there was a separation of church and state. Any argument quoting the bible, like the ones that are used by Bush, Ashcroft, and the rest, have no place under our Constitution. Neither do the ones based on what disgusts someone. Back, even in the early 60s, blacks were not allowed to share a swimming pool with whites because some whites were disgusted by the idea. Is that you? How is your logic any different? Best, Ian Kleinfeld From: A. Schryn Sent: Friday, Aug 18, 2003 3:08 PM To: ------ - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com Subject: you and your company must be moronic Dumbass is right. Except you people are the dumbasses. The point of
"united we stand" is only if w'ere united are we successful,
otherwise divided we fall. I'm not surprised though, I don't expect you
types to think objectively and sensibly. You just want start trouble cause
you people can't and won't think beyond your emotions. ------------------- Best, Ian Kleinfeld Name: Erik Regarding: Your site Comments: It's a shame that the very freedom you enjoy has been provided and protected by the blood and sweat of American Soldiers/Patriots. Paint your crotch red, white and blue, and set yourself on fire. I'd be happy to kick you in the nuts to put the flames out. -------- Ian Kleinfeld -----Original Message----- From: Loren Canon Subject: Democracy Means Toelerating You Dear left wing, candy assed, dope smoking "communist no, socialist,
enviroterrorist, hate America first idiot, pacifist, asshole!!!!! ---------------------------- Shit. You figured us out. I am SO ashamed! Ian Kleinfeld Name: Jeffrey Comments: Regarding: Crticism of your whole purpose The USA is not a democracy, it is a representative Republic. A democracy is mob rule. Why don't you just call your website what it truly is, Hating America and Hating President Bush. I suppose you think Al Gore would have done a better job negotiating with Saddam Hussein, Arafat, Bin Laden et al. Regarding your criticism of cutting the EPA, Education et cetera, My copy of the US Constitution says the government must provide for the common defense, none of those other things are in there. And by the way how did you get to work, school, shopping , recreation today? In your solar powered vehicle? In your electric vehicle (what produced the AC?) OIL! Dear Jeffrey, While the US is a Representative Republic, your point is just niggling and serves no purpose but to criticize. Regardless, I hope you send letters to President Bush reminding him to say the words "Representative Republic" instead of "Democracy," because he makes this mistake all the time, and extending your argument with us, I agree with you that it would be misleading for him to do so. We do not hate America. Since when has voicing a DISSENTING OPINION hating America? Seems to me that questioning people's patriotism when they question our government is more hateful to the vision of this country than anything else. As far as your very meager argument about "Regarding your criticism of cutting the EPA, Education et cetera, My copy of the US Constitution says the government must provide for the common defense, none of those other things are in there." There is also this thing called the "Bill of Rights" and this body of work called "U.S. Federal and State Law." The Constitution is a foundation for the rest of the law. Your argument insinuates that you have no respect or value for the entire body of U.S. law other than the Constitution. Since I doubt you really hold that position, what exactly is the point you're trying to make with your gross generalization? OIL? Yes, who says that oil is a bad thing? It's the over-dependence on oil, the competing forms of energy, and the thoughtless use of fossil fuels that's the problem. If you were constantly climbing over a 40 foot wall to get to work and I showed you that there was a door you could easily go through instead, would you call me unpatriotic? Would you call me a hypocrite because sometimes I need to get to the top of the wall? Best, Ian Kleinfeld THE ONGOING SAGA OF DAVID ROSE... -----Original Message----- From: David Rose Subject: A REAL American
More on one point on the so-called "Axis of Cowardice" (I did not coin this term but I do not remember where I saw it first). Jacques Chirac has stated his hope, in so many words, to lead France to be my country's number one enemy. His staunch support last winter of your no. 2 hero, Saddam Hussein (only behind his ally, Osama bin Laden), shows this. One thing that sickens me too, and it is not just you, but all of the hard left, is that the hard left tries to squelch the voices of everyone to the political right of them. The hard left also throw a hissy-fit when normal people say anything that may be even remotely offensive to them, while they regularly call us normal people every name in the book. With all the anti-terrorism, anti-subversion, and other similar statutes on the books, I worried that freedom of speech would completely disappear. Noting this, I am surprised that few anti-war protesters have been arrested, and those that have were arrested for violent and/or property crimes that police that provided security to protect those protesters (also to my surprise) witnessed. I believe that this attempt to retain civil liberty, led by, at last count if memory serves me right, 140 Representatives in Congress from both parties, including Rep. Butch Otter (R-ID), my Representative, is helping protect your right to post this sewage on the Internet, which was created by what you believe to be the "evil" military of the "evil" United States of America. Please do us reasonable people a favor, and take your tired, flawed, and irrelevant rhetoric to some other country, to one of your allies. Maybe somewhere in the Islamic world, maybe France, or Germany, or Russia. Heck, raise twenty million dollars and maybe the Ruskies will take you to space. Dave R., Boise, Idaho p.s. Despite the fact that I believe your propaganda to be a threat to
my security, I do feel for you. I read some of the other hate mail, and
saw a second recurring theme: complaints about your poor spelling. The
language that we speak is probably the hardest language to learn in the
world, and part of it is due to the nonsense spelling conventions with
which we were blessed. Though I believe myself lucky that I could gain
the skill that I have for spelling, which I thank the Creator for frequently,
should you post this letter under your
You have got to be kidding. Do you realize how ignorant, hateful, and bitter you sound? If you'd like to actually ask some questions about our point of view rather than making random assumptions that are more to do with your perceptions and fears than the actual content on our site or our views, we would be happy to answer them. But I suspect that you'd prefer to see what you want to see, judge us as you are comfortable judging us, and keep your mind as closed as it seems here. But in short: As far as spelling goes, check the hate mail section again. I think you'll see that the spelling problems belong more to those writing the hate mail than to us. Of the 3000+ people who were killed in the WTC... it may surprise you to know that many of them WERE NOT AMERICAN. I find it ironic that you believe that people on the left are the ones squelching "dissent." Of course there are unreasonable people in every political stripe, but you need look no further than the airwaves to see what is really being squelched. How many left-wing versions of Rush Limbaugh, or Fox News, or O'Reilly do you see? And what kind of balanced views do you see on those programs. Your claims here (at least as regard the media) are easily disprovable by numerous studies (See "WHAT LIBERAL MEDIA," by, I believe, Eric Alterman). By the way, I am currently in Nice, France, enjoying sun, sea, great food, and educated people. My friend Beatrice (a French terrorist who can cook a mean crepe) thinks you're being very silly. Best,
I have a right to be bitter. I was attacked twenty-two months ago, just like the rest of us here. You proved my point exactly, as leftists like to call anybody who disagrees with them names. If having an open mind means hating my country and wishing for its destruction, I am proud to be closed-minded as you say. Of course, that way my knowledge will not fall out. Think of this: have you ever heard of the Cable News Network (CNN)? About Rush, he gets RATINGS! Without ratings, radio and tv shows do not survive. How do these outlets get ratings? People - real, breathing people - listen to and watch them! Relax in Nice. I have no desire to go there, or any other foreign locale. I would be a walking target there even more than I am in the United States. Why? Only one reason: I am an American. They have never met me, but they hate me only because I am an American. From Nice to Nasiriyah, from Berlin to Beirut, the world hates us for what we are: successful, resilient, and free. That is why WE ARE AT WAR. This is all I have to say. Enjoy your crepe, whatever that is; I have a hamburger on the grill. Dave R. p.s. One more thing. I feel for those fellow posters in the hate mail category as well. Spelling is a tough task, especially in English. David, First off, dear sir, I didn't call you any names. I said "Do you have any idea how ignorant, hateful, and bitter you sound?" Whether you think so or not, there's a big difference between saying that and saying "You are ignorant, hateful, and bitter ..." Think about it. I did say my friend thought you were silly, but I'm not sure that constitutes name calling either. Now that that's out of the way, to answer your questions and insinuations: NO, having an open mind does not mean hating your country and calling for its destruction. Nor do we. If you think that's our position, you have misinterpreted anything you've read here. YOUR ARGUMENT ABOUT RATINGS would make more sense if there were any factual basis to it. Let's even just take one example, Phil Donahue, who's a bit towards the liberal side... his new show was cancelled before it even got on the air (or just after, I can't recall) because the network wasn't comfortable with his viewpoint, not because of his ratings. Phil's always had great ratings. Also, there are so few left leaning radio and tv shows that there's no way to even tell what the ratings are or would be with new ones. True, right-wing talk shows get good ratings, but the absence of a counterpoint has more to do with the politics of those who own the stations and corporations that run them rather than what's wanted by the public. Bank on it. "Relax in Nice. I have no desire to go there, or any other foreign locale. I would be a walking target there even more than I am in the United States. Why? Only one reason: I am an American. They have never met me, but they hate me only because I am an American. From Nice to Nasiriyah, from Berlin to Beirut, the world hates us for what we are: successful, resilient, and free. That is why WE ARE AT WAR." OK, I'll take this one point by point. Best,
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-------------------- I'm glad our edumakashunal sistem is gud enuf to help yoo be so art iculit. Ian Kleinfeld
------------ it wernt yore opinyuns it were yore stupiditee Ian Kleinfeld ----Original Message----- Name: Lee Comments: Regarding: Jane Allen's article... "hipocricy" should be spelled "hypocricy". Perhaps if Jane had an education, she wouldn't be a democrat (lowercase "d" on purpose). --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Speaking of a lack of education, periods typically go inside the quotation marks. Also, why don't you check your own spelling of "hypocrisy" before you start mouthing off so self-righteously and wind up looking like a dumbass. Ian Kleinfeld -----Original Message-----
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-----Original Message----- Name: Danielle Comments: This is in response to the letter for everyone to read. I could not finish reading it because it was appalling! How dare you right (sic) something like that! They attacked us first! Does September 11th ring a bell to anyone. Obviously not. Are you so niave to think that Saddam isn't armed with dangerous, life-threating weapons. Do you not think that we should have a right to protect our freedom? Do you think we should just sit on our butts and continue to do so after they struck and attack us again? I am glad George W finally decided to attack. It's about damn time. I personally didnt like him to begin with and I don't agree on some of his views but he is totally right in taking us to war. The bastards have to be stopped. No more American civilian lives should be taken. No more should we fear evey time a plane flies overhead! So f off you commi idiots! America is all about the freedom and we will continue to fight for it! --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I keep forgetting that Saddam attacked us first... sorry. Ian Kleinfeld -----Original Message----- Name: christina Comments: Don't forget to mention what article or topic this is about: Anti Americanism is not as overated as you say.... America fights your wars and cleans up after you they feed your people and the only repect we get is stupid pages like this and people burning our flags think where would your country be right now if America hadn't have helped you out at one time or anouther.... christina god bless America!!! ------------------------------------------------------------ America cleans up after me? (Eviscerating the Environmental Protection Agency, dumping toxics in other countries, etc.) Feeds my people? My people are Americans. Haven't seen it yet, sorry. Cuts my social services? Absolutely. Slashes the education budget? You bet. Triples the military budget while cutting everything else? Without question. Please think about the other sides of the things you're saying. Your criticism is very narrow and has no support underneath it. Best, Ian Kleinfeld
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