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-----Original Message-----
From: James Moore
Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 10:38 PM
To: ------ - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: Anti-American Merchandise
Take your Anti-American Merchandise and shove it up your ass! War has
made us free, maybe you should open a history book sometime!
-----Reply:
I'll shove it up my ass if you kiss it first
Ian Kleinfeld
DemocracyMeansYou.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Bearingyoda
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 11:31 AM
To: ------ - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: new products
now that the war is nearly over, nuclear and chemical weopans facilities
have been found and the torture chambers are no longer in use maybe you
could try (Choose your favorite Democrat) is a dumbass sticker? How about
Iraq wasn't freed in your name Martin Sheen ( or Tim Robbinsetc.) I'll
check back in a few weeks to see if there's anything other than fascist
material to buy
-----Reply:
How about
I think that's right up your.... alley. Now why, other than your ignorance,
would you call us fascist? Do you know anything about history, or the
meaning or the origin of the word? Any idea at all? Whatsoever? "Fascism
is the merger of corporate and state power." Mussolini, a
man who knows. Sounds like something, and I'll give you a hint: It's not
our bumper stickers...
Take note: Neither we nor any other relatively sane people
(discount the extremes) have ever said anything positive about Saddam
Hussein, whom, by the way, there's a lovely picture of shaking hands with
Rummy back in the 80s. Nor have most sane people denied the liklihood
of chemical weapons, or nuclear research. What we have been talking about
is the means by which this was done. The ends does not justify the means.
Ever. If we are so supposedly law abiding, we must work WITH the UN, not
circumevnt it when we don't like its decisions. The whole justification
for this war was ever shifting and dishonest. It continues to be, regardless
of what was found or will be found. The international precedents set by
this action are dangerous and have caused more damage, in my opinion,
to world stability, than it has supposedly "restored." Just
because the war went quickly and Saddam is out doesn't mean it was the
right thing to do. If you speak about law, you must follow law, whether
you like it or not. This administration is a walking hipocrisy.
While it's of course not just about oil, look who's getting
the big contracts coming up... look who's getting control and "first
dibs," look how the administration is trying to shut out those in
the international community who did not support the war. If the war was
supposedly to enforce a UN resolution, which it did by circumventing the
clear will of the UN, the US has not place deciding anything. That is
one of the clear indicators to me of the intentions of the adminstration
regarding Iraq.
Too many coincidences to be clean, and definitely not ethical.
Then again, who other than Bush and his cronies have ever accused him
of being ethical? I just about peed my pants with laughter hearing him
talk about "Corporate Responsibility," and if it weren't so
dangerous to so many people, I'd laugh about his bullshit about a Free
Iraq. Watch. It will become a suburb of the US. Watch who gets put in
charge. Bankers, Oil men, Corporate heads who have been exiled. That's
not creating democracy. It's creating oligarchy. Which is truly what the
administration is trying to do. Iraq's interests are to be aligned with
the money and oil industries. Not the interest of the people of Iraq.
While I have no doubt that life will improve for Iraqis,
you should have no doubt that the war had nothing to do with that but
use it as an excuse.
Best,
Ian Kleinfeld
DMY
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert C.
Sent: Thursday, April 9, 2003 12:16 PM
To: talkback - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: Israeli "Peace" shirt
Well it looks like another Jew profitting off of "democracy".
-----Reply:
Wow. You're really a piece of work, aren't you?
Ian Kleinfeld
DemocracyMeansYou.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Matt
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2003 2:20 PM
To: talkback - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: I LOVE IRAQI OIL!
You mother fucking piece of homo shit... you guys are a
bunch of fucking rejects that wouldnt know what to do with a pussy if
it hit you on your mother fucking crotch. You dickless assholes why dont
you go and fuck saddams mother fucking camel. you shameless cunt. you
are a disgrace to your whore of a mother.
Thanks. My sister is looking for a "real man."
Can I set her up with you? If not, how about my mother?
Ian Kleinfeld
DMY
-----Original Message-----
From: Remexcody@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 8:36 AM
To: talkback - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: your ignorance
It's a damn good thing our founding fathers didn't think
like you.
----- Reply:
And who do you think they thought like? Rush Limbaugh?
Read this: http://www.democracymeansyou.com/satire/tea-party.htm
If you don't like the USA why don't you get out. Go to France
they need
some more dicks like you. Since your so brilliant why don't you run for
president.? Obviously you feel you know just exactly how to run the
country successfully. I bet you liked Clinton didn't you.???? [rdbob]
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew J. Henderson
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 10:37 AM
To: ------ - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: Site
I think your website you change its name to COMMUNISMMEANSYOU.COM
----- Reply:
Hm, know the first thing about Communism, smartass? How about Democracy?
Maybe the Bill of Rights? Funny story: there was a guy a few years ago
who decided to re-write the Bill of Rights into modern English, keeping
strict adherance to their spirit and intention. He handed out flyers with
his translation of the old English at various supermarkets and the like.
Strangely, many people accused him of being a--guess what--Communist.
Mostly people who were pretty damn ignorant about both Democracy and Communism,
as well as our history here.
Say hi to Joe McCarthy for me.
I suspect you're going to reply with something like "No,
I don't study Communism like you do, Osama-lover" or the like...
I wonder if you undestand the importance of studying anything?
Ian Kleinfeld
DemocracyMeansYou.com
-----Original Message-----
From: JAYRAYROSE
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 10:17 AM
To: ------ - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: (no subject)
Are you American or are you an asshole, SHAME ON YOU when our young people
are there preserving your right to put this on the net. SHAME ON YOU!!!!
Um, shame on you for your attempts to shut people up who
are exercising their constitutional rights protesting the fact that some
rich shitheads are sending our young people to die when they don't need
to. Just because soldiers are there fighting and dying doesn't mean that
they should be. How about sending 50-70 year old men out there to fight
instead of our children? It's their war.
Best,
Ian Kleinfeld
DemocracyMeansYou.com
-----Original Message-----
From: LaFontaine, Blanche
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 5:42 PM
To: 'storeprobs - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com'
Subject: Only in America
Can sick people like you exist...you need to go to Iraq.
----- Reply:
C'mon, Blanche. You can do better than that...
Ian Kleinfeld
DemocracyMeansYou.com
-----Original Message-----
From: LaFontaine, Blanche
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 9:17 AM
To: 'DemocracyMeansYou'
Subject: RE: Only in America
At least you are right about something...I have lots more to say to you!.
I think you are a Communist and totally anti-American. I think you should
be deported to Iraq and be forced to live under Sadam Hussein and then
we'll see how much you wish you were in America and had American troops
coming over to liberate and rescue YOU!!!
Try to do something different like THINKING!!! not with your head but
with your HEART...that is if you have one.
There, is that better Ian?
Also I would like to add that your website is disrespectful, anti-American,
repulsive and EVIL.....
Wow, Blanche. And I'm sure that's only the tip of the iceberg.
I'm curious... What is "American" to you? And what specifically
is "anti-American" about me? If you're going to toss that stuff
around, have the courage of your convictions enough to specify, otherwise
you just sound like you're ranting in general. Please fill me in.
Respectfully and curious,
Ian Kleinfeld
DemocracyMeansYou.com
-----Original Message-----
From: LaFontaine, Blanche
Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 11:23 AM
To: 'DemocracyMeansYou'
Subject: RE: Only in America
I'm sorry, Ian, that I have to spell this out for you. However, even
though I already know it is a complete waste of my time, I will do it
just the same. Most of you anti-war protestors have closed your minds
or at least that is what I have experienced.
When we are at war, every person living in America has an obligation to
STAND BEHIND the PRESIDENT, whoever he is just like you stood behind Clinton
when he got us into Bosnia. If you don't agree with the COMMANDER IN CHIEF,
that is your right. But anti-war demonstrations are only appropriate before
a war is declared not AFTER. Our President, Commander in Chief, needs,
commands and deserves our support and so do our TROOPS. Just like your
MOTHER AND FATHER deserve your respect and support.
Maybe you were never taught to respect authority figures such as parents,
teachers, police, firefighters, presidents, etc.
That is first and foremost....Secondly, we have American troops dying
to secure our freedom and the freedom of Iraqi's and his morale is wounded
when anti-war protests are made. You are carrying a message of gloom and
doom to them and they can't do anything about it because they are COMMITTED!!!
They volunteered to do this.
You, Ian, don't deserve someone dying to secure your protection and freedom
but courageous, dedicated, working men and women are willing to do their
duty in SPITE OF YOUR PROTESTS.
Hopefully, you will get a job one day and contribute to this great country
and learn to respect authority and understand what FREE SPEECH and DEMOCRACY
really MEANS. What is it not is to BASH our Commander in Chief and our
Troops just because you don't have any values, ethics, principles, morals
or respect.
Ian, search your soul and see that your behavior is definitely anti-American.
Well, that's all time and attention I'm willing to give you. I'm sorry
you were so neglected growing up. But you can get help!
----- Reply:
Subject: Vietnam?
Just curious what you think it and what you thought of
it back then....
Ian Kleinfeld
DemocracyMeansYou.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Lynne Forrest [
Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:34 AM
To: ------ - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: Liberals = Commie's
This web site is a true testament to how great our country
really is. We have the freedom to speak our mind almost to the point of
treason at a time when our troops are willing to lay down their lives
so my children don't have to live in fear of attack here at home. I believe
that most protester's (liberals, socialist, commies, college professors,
democrats) fit into several categories, old hippies (burnt out tree hugging
failures try to justify their pathetic life), college students (looking
to rebel and their professors are 90% old hippies, liberals, socialist,
commies) and last but not least terrorist (of arab descent and America's
main stream media). God bless American that you have the freedom to make
a web site this radically stupid. God bless George W. for having enough
strength to lead our country and not ignore history's hard questions as
slick willie did for the 8 years he reaped the benefits of Reagan/Bush.
God bless our troops for having the fortitude to make this country a safe
place for my kids and also defending you worthless liberals, hippies,
and college professors. Screw you all. Rush is RIGHT !
Brian Forrest
Your commie reply is welcome.
Thank you. Try this:
http://www.theonion.com/onion3911/bush_bravely_leads.html
Ian Kleinfeld
DemocracyMeansYou.com
__________________________
Calling someone "un-American" is the most un-American thing
an American can
do.
Dear Ian,
What an awesome response ! I now see your point ! NOT !
How typical of a left wing radical to totally get off base in a discussion
like
this.
Ian if you would re-read my first message I absolutely do not call yourself
or
any of your hippie-commie friends un-American but praise generations past
for
building a country that people like you can 1. express your thoughts freely
and
2. try to ruin it with these anti capitalist views. Ian Kleinfeld you
have
aligned yourself with a web site that openly attempts to draw parallels
between
President George W. Bush a God fearing man (the same God that you most
likely
want out of the pledge of elegance) and Hitler. You tell me, who is
un-American? Screw you liberals. Rush is RIGHT!
Brian
Forrest
Your commie reply is welcome !
-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Weigel
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2003 1:02 AM
To: ------ - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: Useful idots
The subject line says it all.........you are merely useful
idiots to Saddam and his regime. Why don't you go there and try to sell
anti-Iraq trash? See how far you get before your tongue gets cut out and
they hang you up by your gonads. You are nothing but treacherous, treasonous,
traitorous trash and black hole stupid besides.
I would just tolerate you except GOOD men and women are fighting and dying
to protect your cowardly crowing. You must be very proud..................How
you can look in a mirror is beyond my comprehension.
We are going to win this war and liberate the Iraqi people, whether you
like it or not. In the meantime, go out and get a real job, and get off
whatever welfare and food stamp program is supporting you
Or just leave..................that would be my preference............
-----Original Message-----
From: premuvion
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 5:42 AM
To: ------ - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: Fuck you
The items in your store may be intended to be funny, But
it seems like at a time like this teamwork and not dissent is called for.
We sat by and watched HITLER - knowing the plight of anyone not meeting
with his approval. When we were attacked it pissed us off and we finally
jumped in the fray. I don't know about you but watching the towers fall
hurt deeply. It pisses me off. My own countrymen going about their busness
one morning just being folks to have their world ended at the whim of
some idiots with nothing better to do than destroy. Noone in his right
mind wants war but if it's what it takes to root out a madman then it
should be done. I'm sure that the first million that died in WWII would
feel better if the following millions hadn't had to die.
----- Reply:
Hm. I forgot all about how Saddam Hussein blew up the twin towers. Thanks
for reminding me.
Hey, I'm from New York. It hurt me too. It is tragic, not
the least of which being the fact that we trained and financed OBL...
But that doesn't make what we're doing the right thing to do. We are spoiled
and ignorant here. We have no idea what war can do to a country or a people.
The twin towers are a single exception in our history, other than Pearl
Harbor. We are so eager to take war other places without the real understanding
of what happens. Talk to a European or a Vietnamese person about it. WWII
was a necessary evil. This one is not.
Do you believe the 55000 American deaths and countless
Vietnamese was truly necessary? At the time it was considered by many
to be unpatriotic to dissent about the war while it was going on. History
shows it was a tragic and tremendous waste of life and blood. LBJ, near
his death, said of the war, "Some of the living may forgive me. The
dead never will.
-----Original Message-----
From: Samsmieja
Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 5:40 PM
To: ------ - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: Shock and Awe
It is a sad day indeed, when a group of people, such as
yourselves, invokes fear and rhetoric as a means to justify your paranoid
delusions.
You all need some help.
----- Reply:
Wow. That is a great description of what the administration is doing!
Can we use that and attribute it to you on our site for that purpose?
-- Ian Kleinfeld, DMY
-----Original Message-----
From: Samsmieja
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2003 11:42 AM
To: talkback - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: Illegal to post my info.
You did not ask my permission and if this public posting causes a problem,
legal action my have to be pursued.
Violation of 15 USC 6801
----- Reply:
Hm, did you not read the disclaimer on the page you submitted your feedback
to us? You gave permission when you sent it.
http://www.democracymeansyou.com/core-site/contact.htm
Additionally, we are not by definition, a "Financial Institution"
as referred to in 15
USC 6801. Nor are you a customer, as referred to in same title.
Best,
Ian Kleinfeld
DemocracyMeansYou.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Samsmieja
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 2:50 PM
To: ------ - a t - democracymeansyou - d o t - com
Subject: Re: Illegal to post my info.
Either way, I think your disclaimer needs a little work. It is amazing
how your org. does not like the least amount of criticism.
Please enhance your disclaimer, place it in a very obvious place and
perhaps in bold. Explain to people what you do with mail you do not agree
with etc.
---Reply:
Hardly. We take plenty of criticism quite well. You should see the volume
we get. It's amazing. At least 40 critical e-mails a day. Much of it with
eloquent descriptions of our latent communism, homosexuality, camel-fucking,
or the like, and with a lot of misspellet werds. We put up a few we find
amusing or enlightening. So clearly, we're big crybabies. My friend, we
can take it fine, we have thick skins, but we're always happy to return
the favor, and I think that's what you don't like...
Yours, we put up mostly because we thought it described
very nicely what the administration is doing, and how it's convincing
people that critics of the administration are the ones mongering fear
and rhetoric. It's an old trick one that dates back to at least as far
as the Roman Senate, probably further. Do something, then accuse your
counterparts of doing it to you. I'm just amazed that people still fall
for it.
How are we spreading fear and paranoia? How is the administration
not? Oh, right, they're "official channels" so whatever they
say must be trusted. I forgot. Don't be ridiculous.
As far as our disclaimer goes, it's fine. I believe it's
your reading that needs a little work. It's all of one paragraph. If you
can't be bothered to read one tiny paragraph before you call someone paranoid,
I have some land in Glengarry and Glen Ross to sell you...
This looks like the 84 reason that we have way to big a
government and need to cut, cut, and cut. It would appear that your constituents
if they support these things would be far happier under a socialistic
or even communist government. There are still a few places in the world
that have those types of governments and they are failing. So SHUT UP,
QUIT WHINNING, and GOTO WORK!!!! Quit being a drain on society quit asking
for a handout and become a productive member of society.
Your letter is a LOAD of CRAP, and I
am sad that you are ignorant enough to
believe the BS that you Clintonites spout. And that is OBVIOUSLY what
you
are. NUFF SAID. I don't buy into your BULLSH___! I am SICK and TIRED of
all
the non-factual rhetoric you and your kind spout off!
You Wrote: We have love for law, both domestic and international,
and a firm
belief that the way to--in both the short term and long term--resolve
these
ongoing crises is by following the law under all circumstances, not just
when it suits the US.
When did Saddam EVER follow the law? It is up the the USA
to enforce this
war on Saddam because the SPINELESS UN will NEVER do it. The USA IS the
only
Super Power and the only RESPONSIBLE Super Power. IF we weren't then we
would be nuking everyone who didn't agree with us or do what we said.
The
USA HAS gone about this diplomatically, but it is obvious that the French
are against US and side with Saddam. Which only tells me that the French
are
terrorists as well.
You wrote: We lose
face,we lose respect, we lose influence.
I don't and most of America doesn't feel that way at all.
If any country has
"lost face" it is France, Russia and China. They have all sided
with an Evil
Dictator, which only proves that it is all about oil.... OIL FOR FRANCE,
RUSSIA, AND CHINA. IT IS KNOW THAT THOSE COUNTRIES HAVE CONTRACTS WITH
IRAQ
FOR OIL AND WEAPONS WHICH WERE AND ARE AGAINST UN SANCTIONS. SO WHO IS
THE
EVIL ONE? THERE ARE MANY.... SADDAM, FRANCE, GERMANY, RUSSIA, CHINA AND
LETS
NOT FORGET NORTH KOREA.
AND I WILL ADD THAT THE MOST EVIL RULER OF AMERICA HAS BEEN
BILL CLINTON.
BECAUSE OF HIM WE ARE IN THE BIGGEST MESS OF ALL. HE ONLY CARED ABOUT
THE
SATIFACTION OF HIS PUTRID PENIS. HE NEVER CARED ABOUT AMERICA.
LATER [Carol Martelle Potter]
your website sucks. i want goerge w. to go into iraq and
kick saddams ass. you say hes doing it out of greed? well youre the one
profiting off all this by hocking your crap on this website. if we ever
get attacked by terrorists again, i hope they get you first. have a nice
day...........[EVILSID]
Instead of being so shallow and creating junk like you have
on this web, why
don't you try to give the President of these United States some credit
for
what he is trying to do.
All you people do is feed this crap to Saddam, Isama and
their terrorist
attitudes. Use your heads and support America. If you cannot then at least
give peace a chance. No one wants war, but I certainly do not think we
should down our leader. If you want to blame anyone for the mess we are
in,
then for heavens sake pick on the Congress and Senate. They are the ones
spending the money and pointing the finger at the President. Wake up and
smell the roses! [Marilyn Cook]
Fuck you. You Are a Piece Of SHIT. If It Was Not For President
Bush This Country Might HAve Never Recovered. I don't Think That Any Democratic
ASSHOLE could Do A Good Job!!!!!!!!!!! [Brandon Counts]
I was going to call you SICK, but after a millisecond or
two, I realized you are just stupid. But that's OK, maybe you can get
on the demorats charity list, you know the one that takes our hard-earned
$$ and gives it to the lazy-get-all-you-can-from-the-government-and-give-nothing-in-return,
you know, typical Ted Kennedy-hillary clinton type.
you have your freedom of speech, I have mine. [anonymous]
More sour grapes from loser liberals.
Yes - if 50% or more of the voting population voted things would be diferent,
there would be even more republicans in office.
Yes - YOU should THINK. If Bush really wanted more oil -
all he would have to do is lift the embargos against Iraq. No one is buying
your story.
Very clever insults - where's the substance? And you solution
for a safe world is to - what? Cave in to terrorism?
Indignant insults, putting politics before country. No reasonable
alternatives to how to deal with the crazies that have hated this country
for decades. Hate against the United States that did nothing but fester
while Clinton ran foreign affairs for 8 years.
Even so, I am glad you have this web site. I think it will
alienate even more people over to the right.
Well, I would love to chat more, but I have to go read my
newsletter from Rush Limbaugh. Now there's somebody who's effective -
maybe you all should take notice of his overwhelming success at winning
over voters to the conservative cause. [Java2Fanatic@netscape.net]
Bernard Weiner, Ph.D., has taught COMMUNISM at Western Washington
University and San Diego State University. He was with the San Francisco
Chronicle for nearly 20 years. [Jack King whasamata@dr.com] (Weiner authored
"The War on Terrorism for Dummies)
Its a shame even an idiot like you can live in a democracy.
[yweb]
An opposing point of view: It's democracy that allows maggots
like you to exist and prosper. [Emerzig]
How many PUSSIES does it take to run a web page? Why don't
we roll over for Saddam? Do you support bin Laden? Leaders like Bush are
the reason you can have a web page like this, Saddam's people can't. [gunners70smith]
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